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Is "very good" offensive? | English Is Not So Easy 22

Posted by Precipitation24 - February 11th, 2024


I love English and was once good enough to become an English teacher at a Japanese junior high school. But that was in the past, and since then my English skills have been declining rapidly. So, as part of my language learning, I decided to post some simple questions and comments about the English language that are not easy for me (and that I should ask on HiNative or Quora) on Newgrounds. I am not an expert in English and may make elementary mistakes, but thank you for your patience.


Is "very good" offensive? | English Is Not So Easy 22


There is a hot topic in Japan right now about the English language. This question started with a video from the group Kevin's English Room.

 


This is a video in Japanese, so I will try to translate as many content as possible.


Narrator: "'Very good' actually sounds like this to native speakers."


[From a Japanese point of view]

Female voice: "Hey, how was my pasta?"

Male voice: "Oh, very good."


[From an American point of view]

Female voice: "Hey, how was my pasta?"

Male voice: "Oh, not bad, considering YOU cooked it." 


At the end of the video, they suggested using “so good” instead of “very good”.

 

The problem is that another native English speaker responded to this video shortly after it was posted:



Interviewer: "Is 'very good' offensive to native English speakers?"

Respondent: "No, not offensive at all. No way!"

Interviewer: "Someone said that 'very good' sounds offensive, so you should use 'so good.'"

Respondent: "That's not true."

Interviewer: "Doesn't 'so good' sound more polite?"

Respondent: "No. They are the same. I always say 'very good.'"

Interviewer: "Is there any situation where it sounds offensive?"

Respondent: "No. There's no such situation."

Interviewer: "No one finds it offensive?"

Respondent: "No one! Whoever said that doesn't understand English. I cannot even imagine one American being offended by this."

Interviewer: "So a Japanese can use 'very good' in the U.S.?"

Respondent: "No problem." 



But I am confused. The first person who said that "very good" sounded offensive is certainly a native English speaker, Kevin, from California, and the second person who objected to it is also a native English speaker from the US (I couldn't find out exactly where he was from). I wonder why there is such disagreement between the two native English speakers.

 

So let me ask you: Does "very good" sound offensive?

Please feel free to share your thoughts.


[Edit & Conclusion] 

I am grateful to the native speakers for their warm and precious comments on the question in this article. Regarding this question, I have a certain hypothesis from your comments, so I would like to write about it.

 

Based on your comments, I concluded that "very good" is rarely considered rude, but it is a phrase that I should be careful about using in practice. Because it may not be appropriate to use it against people who have long been culturally familiar with it as a phrase used by adults to praise children, for example on British children's television.


As an example to illustrate what I am trying to say, there is a conversation between a parent and a child that has recently become a hot topic in Japan:


Mother: “How was my pasta?”

Child: “9 out of 10!


The child probably used the same phrase that is used to rate food on YouTube. There is no doubt that the child said her cooking was great, but the mother found this comment unpleasant. This may be because the child felt that the mother was cooking to get a better rating from her child. That cannot be her intention.

My hypothesis is that there are probably people who have a similar impression of "very good" as "X out of 10," and that is what Kevin was trying to say.

 

On the other hand, why did Kevin say that "so good" did not sound rude? I have my own hypothesis on this. But of course, if you have your own thoughts on this, feel free to share them with me.

According to the English I learned for the college entrance exam, "so" has the effect of emphasizing the fact that the speaker is mentioning something that is right in front of the speaker's eyes or something that the speaker has experienced. If we use the fact here, "so good" emphasizes the speaker's "experience" and means that the speaker enjoyed the experience, so the receiver probably doesn't feel "evaluated" by the speaker. This is my hypothesis.

 

Philosophically speaking, I think that first of all, "praising someone" is basically the same as "evaluating someone", and "the feeling of wanting to be praised" is the same as "the feeling of wanting to be evaluated". If this is true, even a non-native speaker like me can fully understand that "very good" can be a rude expression.

On the other hand, I feel that this discussion contains a thorny issue: How can we praise others without being rude in our daily communication? I am not sure, but I believe that people who do not consider "very good" to be a rude expression can live a more comfortable and fulfilling life. However, as a foreigner from Far East Asia, when I visit the United States, I would like to try to use "so good" to properly convey my respect for others.


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I really do not think "very good" is considered offensive by anyone, or at least most people. I don't live in the US or any other native English-speaking country so I might not have the best perspective, but I've never heard of anything like that. Maybe there are specific people who would see "very good" as sarcasm or an insult, but that would probably be their own mistake.

It is true that the meaning of words can change depending on the way you say it, though. Just a short and quick "very good!" will mean exactly that, but a long and drawn out "veeery gooooood..." will likely be used for (and seen as) a sarcastic comment. I don't think the first one would ever be seen as an insult.

That makes sense. The impression can be different depending on how one say it.

As a native English speaker from the southern part of the united states of America "very good' is not considered offensive and i am unable to think of a situation that it would be.

I see. I am beginning to think it is an urban legend.

I think "very good" as a response to a question is somewhat rare and may indicate dishonesty or sarcasm. "Very good!" as an exclamation, for example as reaction to an impressive display, is the only scenario I can think of where it would come across as genuine. I am Californian so who knows, it could just be a California thing.

That is interesting!
I once learned that native speakers unconsciously have certain response patterns in mind when they ask a question like "How are you?" and feel uncomfortable when they get an answer that does not fit the pattern, and that sounds like a similar phenomenon.
But is that a feeling unique to California or the western United States? That is curious.

in the u.k. it's only offensive if used in a patronising or condescending way, because it is common to say to young children and to hear on young children's tv shows.

Most of the time though no one would find it offendive or rude, especially if the person saying it did not express that with the tone of their voice, which would be sarcastic if they meant insult.

That is a new way of thinking! The impression of a phrase can be different depending on where one hears it and where one has heard it.
As you said, if this phrase has been used for a long time to evaluate a child, this word can give the impression that the speaker is an "evaluator" of the partner.

Very good is not offensive.
Unless you're actively trying to be sarcastic and/or passive aggressive, you should have no issue.

Thank you for your comment!
I've heard that people in limited areas like the UK and California find it offensive because it's a word used to praise children on TV shows. But as you said, it doesn't seem to be widespread.